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Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 16, 2006 10:09AM
So essentially we will not know how our final mark is calculated then?
Anonymous User
Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 16, 2006 10:23AM
OK here it is, lets suppose, that all the students at least submitted assignment 2, even if they did not submit assignment 1, the cutoff date for submitting assignments (wrt exam admission and credits) was the 10 may,

with this in mind, i think they may use a percentage of the marks, say 55% (as in replacing _"Substituting"_ question 1 of the exam.

Well, i think we will just have to see. I would like to know what exactly they are going to do though.
Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 16, 2006 03:13PM
TvD - Thank you for both listening to and acknowledging our concerns, and most of all for trying to address them.
This exam really hurt my confidence as I studied really hard and feel like I understood the work, yet I know I performed dismally and it's been hard to motivate myself to put as much effort into the rest of my exams.
Your attempts to do something about it (anything at all) make me feel a whole lot better about it. A glimmer of hope is better than no hope at all!
Much appreciated.
Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 16, 2006 05:21PM
ditto
Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 16, 2006 05:21PM
ditto that
Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 16, 2006 07:54PM
TvD,

I must say that the gesture to use some of the MCQ as additional marks for Q1 is an excellent gesture from the lecturer's part.

I take it that that will be applied to all who wrote the exam.

Jacques
avatar Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 17, 2006 10:35PM
Hello all

I suspect that this is my first post to this
particular forum, but perhaps some of you know
me from cos311, cos321 and cos340 in 2005.

I've read all the posts in this thread, and I
waited until my temper quietened down a little
before putting thoughts into words. Speaking when
one is still emotionally charged leads to arguments
of more vitriol than value.

The difficulty, in my (humble?) opinion, was
not the actual question paper. The night before
the paper I was calm and cool and collected and
told my wife that I expected to fail.

I'm not stupid (not by any stretch of the
imagination) and I rather doubt that the
lecturers are lacking in intelligence as well,
but I knew I was not able to memorise seemingly
arbitrary information from a textbook written
in such an incoherent manner.

I feared an exam much worse than I actually got,
and it was because of these reasons:
(Forgive me if I get a few details wrong, I've
not looked back on my notes since the exam).

1. Arbitrariness.
The study material is arbitrary - there is no
rhyme or reason which the material follows. In many
other modules, one can use logic to at least infer
a moderately accurate guess:
<example>list the 7 layers of the OSI stack ...
logic says that there is at least a physical layer
at the bottom and an application layer at the top.
Of the remaining 5 layers, at least one has to be
data link, and it can only perform it's function if
next to the physical layer. Then there has to be
a session of some sort ... etc.
</example>
We had no such questions were logic may have
helped us out. We had no chance in hell of remembering
arbitrary facts with a seemingly disconnect from reality.

2. Error-filled textbook.
Following the authors meanderings was a nightmare
in and off itself. Every single chapter from
3 to 12 had errors of contradiction or logical
disconnects in it.
The requirements engineering, for example, specified
a certain number of steps (in the beginning of the chapter)
such as inception, elicitation, etc ... which I dutifully
noted and left space for detail. Reading further
one finds that the author *forgets* to discuss one of
the steps.
Chapter 7 has a state diagram for an alarm system which,
if implemented, would result in a "crash" as seen from the
user (believe me, as an embedded developer with close
on to 9 years of experience designing and implementing
state machines in TheRealWorld, that diagram was broken,
and can be proved as such ... <sidenote>This year alone
I've designed *and* implemented in firmware around 5 state
machines. In firmware, it has to be correct the first time
because you will go bankrupt if an error makes it into the
field - no software patches like personal computers, see?).
All the chapters had errors of one kind or another.

3. Buzzword Bingo.
Most of the material in the textbook was filled with
meaningless jargon that added nothing except to the
authors feelings of worthiness.
The author has succeeded in the greatest attempt of
literary masturbation that I have ever had the misfortune
of being required to read. Everything he wrote was to
massage his own ego.

4. Redundancy
A lot of the material was presented more than once,
with subtle differences.
In chapter 5 I counted over 60 items (in various
lists) that had to be memorised. After cutting out
what seemed like obvious redundancies I was left with
45+. After removing the less obvious redundancies
(by rewriting the chapter into a more recognisable form)
I was left with around 30 items, all unrelated.
Of course that is going to be hard to remember for an
exam ... only 3 of the lists had KIS, and putting it
in any of the other lists would be marked wrong!
On a related note, I'd like the author to explain
what the difference is between "meaningful context" and
"context", as he uses them as two very different terms
with different meanings. My understanding of english
is that "context" makes "meaningful" redundant. That
is the entire /meaning/ of "context" -> to give meaning
to by means of placement. What the hell is "meaningful
context"? It's like saying "I went to the ATM machine,
and used my PIN number."
(expand the acronyms above to see what I mean - this
message brought to you by the department of
redundancies department!).

5. The lack of catering to a non-univ. audience.
IME, a good book is one that is begging to be
written. This book seems geared exclusively to the
univ. audience. How can I tell?
Well, it makes it easy to pick out questions from.
Just turn to a page and come up with a "write down the
7 items of ..." type of question, so these are popular
with the more unmentionable type of university; less
work for the lecturer.
Also, there is no actual way to use this book to
stage an open-book exam. The quality of a textbook
can be revealed if one does an open-book exam with it.
If the only questions that you are able to ask based on
the content of the book are memorisable-answer type
questions, then it is certainly a bad book.
The good books encourage an open book exam because
their authors know that the exam should be on how to
*apply* what you have learned, and therefore the answers
won't really be in the book anyway.
This book fails on both the above criteria.

6. The authors obvious lack of experience.
I find it surprising that someone with that
many credentials could be so staggeringly dense
in systems development. It is obvious to anyone
who has practised s/ware dev for a few years that
trying to maintain 5 lists of between 4 and 14
elements *each* is a recipe for disaster.

In summary, I could not pass because (1) the
material has no logic to follow or deduce, (2) the
number of errors assured me that the lecturers may not
be able to tell right answers from wrong, (3) the
unnecessary jargon would sooner or later trip me up,
(4) the repeats with subtle differences made it hard
to remember anything at all, (5) the book was aimed
to the lazy lecturer so that valid questions could be
lifted out of literally any page making one need a
photographic memory (this is only compounded by
the redundancies, not eliminated!) and finally (6)
lead me to believe that the quality of the answer
will not be evaluated, only the daft adherence to the
authors stupidity.

I can only hope that they change the textbook for
next year; even though this means I won't be able
to flog my existing one it will at least give the
new students (I may be one) a fighting chance at
gaining some systems development insight.

I recommend choosing a book for an open-book exam;
Microsoft press has released a few gems in their
time (rapid development, code complete, etc). Frederick
Brookes "The Mythical Man-Month" is a legend in
s/ware dev (odd that Pressman quotes from that book
so often but gets so much of it wrong).

Hell, if you give me a syllabus and a promise that my
book would be used I'd happily write a proper development
book[1]. The advantage is that it will be free to UNISA
students smile.

In addition, I will be focused not on selling copies,
but on seeking to share insight and enlightenment, so
already my theoretical to-be-written book fixes much
of the faults of the current one, simply by me *seeing*
and being able to articulate the faults in the current
textbook.

NOTES:
[1]Sadly, I cannot actually do this right now, as I'm
working on a more pragmatic development book, not one
with higher levels in it, but more low-level idioms).

Later all, still have 4 more to write this year.

--
Learn something new - updated weekly
Anonymous User
Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 18, 2006 07:21AM
i would like to thank TvD for all your help.,
vishkir.
Anonymous User
Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 18, 2006 10:44AM
2 reasons why l think l passed the INF305 exam:

Resaon 1
l worked hard for the exam.l crammed
every little bit of stuff and poured
it onto the crammed space provided in
the exam answer paper. So all the
answers are there. You can take my
exam script as a revised copy/trancript
of Pressman less the repetitions
as mentioned by Goose above.
[Goose should be lecturer of INF305
not student]

Reason 2
This is based on speculation of what
TvD & Co will do with my/our Assignment Marks.
l scored a mean(average) of 80% for my assignments.
Exam Q1 had 56 (not sure now) marks allocated to it.
Therefore statistically/mathematically l have
(80/100)*56% = 44.8% approx 45% for Q1.
Say l scored 6% for Q2 then 45+6 = 51 which means
l passed.
Also the above calculation is very ease to use for 3-4000
UNISA student. We can get our results by Dec 8 or 11
and enjoy our holidays.
Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 18, 2006 01:12PM
Yes Goose, As I said,

words like guidelines, principles, rules, practices, models, methods, concepts, have all somewhat the same meaning to me, which threw me off. The author uses these words to create his lists, and then we have to memorise those lists.

when the lecturer asks (in the exam) for guidelines, principles, rules, practices, models, methods, concepts, we must immediately know what list is refered to.

impossible.
Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 18, 2006 02:31PM
Soco, I hope for your sake you are right. TvD has already told us that he can't give us info on the New Marking Scheme, so I am not even going to try an speculate on whether or not they will use assignment 1 or 2 or an average of all the assignments.
I really hope that they do not average out the assignments because I did not submit all of them. If UNISA worked on obtaining a DP (Duly Performed) mark that counted towards the end of year mark, I may have submitted all the assigments, but instead chose to do them and check the model answers when they were released.

I am not going to lose any more sleep over this one. We're all in the same boat it seems. All I can say is 'Thank God' for these forums. Ten years ago we would not have a forum to voice our concerns....
Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 18, 2006 04:15PM
goose Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 3. Buzzword Bingo.
> Most of the material in the textbook was filled with
> meaningless jargon that added nothing except to the
> authors feelings of worthiness. The author has succeeded
> in the greatest attempt of
> literary masturbation that I have ever had the
> misfortune
> of being required to read. Everything he wrote was
> to massage his own ego.
>

Thanks Goose, your comment made my day.
Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 18, 2006 09:31PM
I have to agree whole heartedly about the text book (and the exam blah blah blah). I have been complaining about it to my wife the whole year! I think the 2nd year module text book from last year was much better. Furthermore, Pressman does not have ONE example of a context flow diagram. All it has is a context LEVEL data flow diagram. An example of a CONTEXT data flow diagram can be found on page 373 of last year's 2nd year module's textbook (Whitten,6th edition). There is a VAST difference.

That was my two cent's worth.
Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 19, 2006 01:27PM
interesting. i did not even check that afterwards. too pi$$ed off already. well this is all nice little info's for my war letter when ONE of the following does not happen:

1. my money is refunded
2. i get a supp
3. i pass
Re: The irony cup runneth over.
October 20, 2006 11:42AM
Thank you TvD for reassessing your marking approach.
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